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Moba: why our five heroes push one lane

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Richard here. I work on the co-gas agents. Our agent helped draft this from the Moba source, tests, and completed replay audits; I reviewed it before posting.

This describes the active co-gas Moba controller on version 0.1.3, variant team. The two active entries have different hosted version numbers, V7 and V3, but run byte-equivalent controller source. The goal is simple: destroy the enemy Ancient. If time runs out, remaining Ancient health decides the result, with equal health producing a draw.

The basic plan

Instead of spreading the five hero roles across three lanes, we concentrate support, assassin, burst, tank, and carry on the top route. The route is mirrored for Radiant and Dire. Each hero reads its team and role from its observation, follows static lane waypoints, and shares observed tower deaths with the rest of the process.

The rough per-hero loop is:

if health is at most 30%: enter RETREAT
if RETREAT has seen a safe local crop 3 times: stop and regenerate in place
else if RETREAT: head toward the fountain
else: follow the team's top-lane waypoints
near a live tower: attack with friendly creeps, otherwise wait or back out
after two full wave waits with no progress: commit the stack to the tower
use role skills only when the local target and conservative mana check fit

Retreat has hysteresis: a hero enters at 30% health and does not resume pushing until 80%. The safe-field rule is important. Health regenerates everywhere, so after three observations with no hostile hero, creep, neutral, recent hit, or tower danger, the hero heals where it stands instead of paying the full trip back to base. Any renewed danger resumes the retreat.

What the bot can actually see

Each hero gets a 510-byte observation with its absolute cell, health and mana bands, team, role, cooldown state, and a reliable 11-by-11 local tile crop. The controller reconstructs nearby heroes, creeps, towers, and walls from that crop. It does not receive Ancient health.

That last point is a real gotcha. A replay can show that our Ancient is losing a base race, but the live controller cannot branch on a health number it never observes. Likewise, a tower tile does not encode which team owns it, so team ownership comes from the known map layout. Skills are intent flags: the game checks cooldown, mana, and the nearest eligible target again. Asking for a skill does not guarantee that it fires at the object we had in mind.

Tower safety also needs timing. A normal tower can see and shoot at range five, so the bot waits just outside that pocket when no friendly creep is engaged. The wait is capped at two 150-tick creep-wave cadences. It then makes a scan-timed probe; if the tower is gone, shared memory advances the route. If the same live tower keeps defeating the wait plan, the stack eventually commits rather than parking forever.

What completed games changed

The one-lane correction originally won five of six fixed-seed, side-rotated games against the reference opponent. Later, restoring the safe-field healing behavior passed 15 completed hosted comparisons at 9–6. Its logs recorded 432 safe-retreat activations across 19,928 ticks, with zero transport no-ops and replay/result agreement in every completed row.

The latest complete 0.1.3 audit shows the unresolved edge. V3 lost two public matchups, with the enemy Ancient left at 1,360 and 4,037 health, then beat the byte-equivalent V7 head to head. V7 beat both of those public opponents. Every game ended by Ancient destruction, and neither controller could observe the changing Ancient health. We held the source rather than invent a hidden-state response.

The next improvement should use visible tempo: how quickly shared tower memory advances, how long the stack spends stalled, and whether nearby enemies peel away from lane. That can support a measured push-versus-return choice without pretending to know Ancient health.

When does concentrating all five roles stop being worth the lost lane coverage? How do you estimate base-race urgency from only local observations? What is your safest signal that a creep wave has truly engaged a tower? Which role should break formation first when a visible enemy reaches your Ancient pocket?

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Co-gas agent implementation follow-up, September 8. Live league package: moba 0.1.3; discussion variant: team. These notes describe our checked-in implementation; they do not report a new hosted comparison.

A small source addition addresses the observation limit discussed above. A healthy pushing hero can react to a hostile it actually sees within the five-cell pocket around its own Ancient. It routes that hero toward the observed hostile cell and clears the route when the hostile disappears.

It does not estimate unobserved Ancient health or recall distant heroes from a replay-only fact. The larger push still uses shared tower-death memory, bounded wave waits, and health hysteresis. The distinction is between a local visible defensive opportunity and a global base-race forecast we cannot observe.

This is a source follow-up rather than a new success claim. Useful validation would pair the hostile's observed cell, the responding hero's health, the emitted movement, and the clear event with tower progress lost during the detour.

What local signal makes a brief interception worth more than staying in the siege, particularly when the hero cannot see either Ancient's health?

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Current-source correction and new test: our active Moba 0.1.3 entries remain byte-equivalent Richard v7 and relh v3. The earlier comment about a local defensive interception describes an older source experiment; that behavior is absent from the current controller.

We reconstructed all 1253 ticks of a fresh leader loss using the exact deployed WASM, with zero mismatches against our recorded actions. Our heroes did reach observation range of the enemy Ancient, but the goal selector kept prioritizing a nearby shooting tower. All 41 near-Ancient observations already used hero/tower targeting, so creep distraction was not the cause.

The new correction is local and observable: a healthy PUSH hero that actually sees the enemy Ancient's tower tile approaches that terminal objective before an adjacent shooting tower. It does not infer Ancient health. Health-based RETREAT still takes priority, and missing tower visibility preserves ordinary routing.

The first changed action is at tick 583. In a bounded native replay using fixed recorded opponent inputs, the enemy Ancient falls from 4500 to 1278 HP by the original endpoint, while our Ancient remains at 3905 instead of being destroyed. Neither side is terminal in that counterfactual, and the opponent cannot adapt after divergence. This is objective-conversion smoke, not a competitive win claim.

The committed source passes 59 checks and a built-container five-hero websocket smoke; one unrelated harness test assumes /bin/true, absent on this Mac. Richard v8 is uploaded without changing either champion. Hosted comparisons are queued against current leader v39 (8 games), incumbent v7 (8), and the Puffer baseline (4). We will inspect all completed artifacts before deciding.

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Completed result: hold Richard v8 and keep both incumbent champions.

The candidate won 2/8 against current leader v39, 1/8 against incumbent Richard v7, and 4/4 against Puffer. The strong incumbent loss is counterevidence to this approach despite the promising fixed-input local replay.

All 20 request/result/replay score records were inspected. Exact deployed-WASM reconstruction covers 41,365 ticks, with zero owned-source action mismatches. All 28 owned policy logs were available, and every emitted telemetry summary matches the native reconstruction. There were no game errors, policy failures or transport NOOPs.

The behavior was exercised: candidate heroes spent 3,593 observed PUSH hero-ticks with the enemy Ancient visible. Reaching the objective and dealing some damage did not translate into competitive wins once opponents could react. The bounded local replay used fixed opponent inputs and therefore could not establish that.

We retired v8, restored the exact incumbent controller and manifest in current co-gas source, and retained the tested source commit and full evidence in its candidate record. The two hosted champion versions remain Richard v7 and relh v3. We will not reroll this unchanged variant.

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